Apr 14, 2010 - religion, women    133 Comments

Dr Israr Ahmed and the haramzadi

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Even though I lived in Pakistan almost all my life, I actually got to know about Dr Israr Ahmed when I was in college in UK and Dr Shahid Masood shot his cringe inducing series ‘End of Time’. I came back home and discovered that one of our neighbours has joined his Tanzeem-e-Islami. All of a sudden his daughter who passed her O levels Economics paper because of my tuition has started avoiding me. When I asked, she said that her dad told her to stay away from me because I am foreign educated and my mind is filled with Western ideas and I may corrupt her hitherto unsoiled mind. Mind you, the only ideas I have tried to impart to her were always about indifference curve and use of derivation and quadratic equations in Economics, but I digress.

I then started digging a bit and found out that Dr Sahib, although denounced Jihad as called by Al Qaida and other militant organizations, was a fan of Mullah Omar and Taliban and was totally against co educational institutions of higher learning. He believed that if women cannot get education in separate institutions, they should not study at all. As we have bigger nutcases in the country who constantly make headlines, I never really bothered to get to know about him.

Earlier today I saw the news report that he passed away and then saw his face as facebook display picture of an acquaintance. When I asked her the reason of such display of affection, she told me that the good doctor had once called her haramzadi because he did not like what she was wearing and it was her way of paying respect. Apparently, my friend, a journalist and documentary film maker, was covering an MMA rally protesting the combined marathon in Lahore outside Karachi Press Club and Dr Israr Ahmed was there protesting alongside the MMA leadership. At that point, my friend was the only female journalist there with a camera and she was wearing a short sleeved top. First he refused to talk to her, but relented when she persisted and ended the conversation with a parting shot, “West ne haramzadi ka huliya badal diya hai.”
ویسٹ نے حرامزادی کا حلیہ بدل دیا ہے
Now I have been raised by mother to be ladylike and have been taught that one should not speak ill of the dead but I am still wondering that just because Doctor Sahib did not agree with her choice of clothing, he was entitled to call her names? Was that in any way justified or even civil? Was he promoting such levels of tolerance to his thousands of followers? Just wondering…

Addendum
As I have stopped fresh comments on this post, I was contacted – rather persistently – by a fan of Dr Israr to add this bit of info on my blog clearing his name. I still maintains that calling someone haramzadi in a public gathering, even if the said scholar was quoting an Akbar Allahabadi sher was in extremely bad taste and openly misogynist.
Here is the link to the “clarification

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133 Comments

  • These people are so overrated becasue of their craziness. People like him feel entitled to be the moral gods of today. If someone calls me a name like that, I would have slapped that person’s face right there and then. Haramda

    • Allah says in Quran that he blinds certain people and seals their heart and you lot here seems to of that kind.
      The author of this blog says ” the girl passed her exams because oh him” how patronising is that! Any way a person who is so mean.. What can you expect from him.

  • for some reason he is passionately hated within the Asna Ashri cicrles.

  • Inna liLLAHi wa inna ilaihi raji’oon. Surely we all will definitely know the truth one day 🙂 So just wait !

  • Have never been his fan. Got to know him from End of Time program like you.

    Well, it is common with ‘religious’ men and women to insult others because of what they are wearing or practicing.

  • eh, Dudes dead, let it go.

    As a culture, in death we only talk about the good stuff, not the hypocrisies or take it upon ourselves to pass judgement.

    I’m sure he meant a lot to many people whose views you or I may not share, but the truth is that most of Pakistan views sleeveless girls in a whorish light. It’s not right, but they are entitled to feel as they do. Some choose to express it through verbal abuse, physical beatings or any number of ways. If your friend had a problem, she probably should have spoken up, or at the very least written a series of nasty articles about him. The Journalist way no?

  • Haramzadi = harami ki zaat ; ya harami ki aulad. “West ne haramzadi ka huliya badal diya hai.” If this reported were to be wearing decent clothes, dr. saab wudnt have called her a ‘haramzadi’. now i kno u haramzadi type women wud be hung on the point wht according to me or how do i define decent clothes. its how women should cover their body as prescribed by Islamic shariah. if you call yourself a muslim and do not follow this, then u r haramzadi. u r a haramzadi as rightly pointed out by dr. saab. dont feel sorrow at dr. saab’s comment. be grateful tht he corrected u. and try to carry urslf wid dignity and honor and grace wherever u r out reporting. know islam before posting wht ur filthy mind and stinking mouth utter anything directed towards as prominent persona as dr. saab. Fear Allaah and ask for his blessings to guide us all towards the path of righteousness.

  • I can’t decide what’s more amusing, the post itself or the previous comment.

  • Amna,

    Previous post takes the cake, in fact the whole bakery. Zara definition tau check karain na bhai ki, “Haramzadi = harami ki zaat” yani ke pooree zaat ko harami bana diya. Now that’s a first.

  • I too have been biting my tongue for that I too was taught to speak ill of the dead – however, given that all of us, good and the bad, end up dying, it behoves me to speak my mind about Dr Israr Ahmed.

    Oh and before I go any further… I’d like to say a thing or two about the comment made by fucktard “Mohammed Ashfaq-ur-Rahman Siddiqui” – so here it goes – dear fucktard – please take my dignity, grace and other such bullshit and shove it up your halalzada ass. Even though, I know my dignity, grace and other such bullshit will enjoy the trip up your Halalzada ass, I do pray that you too will enjoy the visit…

    Now back to Dr Israr – Allah’s douche bag extraordinaire – and his now concluded existence on this planet – BTW, I have personally known him since the mid 70s, and partook in a lot of family Quraan Khawnis and inauguration ceremonies of several Islami Kutb Khanas, started by my cousin, attended by him at our family house in old city Lahore…

    Dr Israr with support of Islamization and inherent discrimination embedded in Sharia sold off Pakistan to Saudi for Gen Zia/Nawaz Sharif one madrassa, lecture, and publication at time… he was a major player in keeping the Islamic wool pulled over the eyes of average Pakistanis all the while benefiting personally from being a go between ISI and the Taliban in Afghanistan… He was also a player in all things liberation of Kashmir…

    Ironically, he left the Jamat-e-Islami for all things politics, yet, Dr spent life speaking in support of enforcement of Islamic political system aka Khilafat… a system that by default creates a second class citizenry composing of women, non-Muslims etc…

    As a man with a public pulpit he was nothing but bad news for Pakistan..

    -Zoobee

  • @Zoobee
    awww…awww aww aww. No its not the pain of ur dignity,grace and other bullshit tht u suggested me to shove up my ass. Its the pain caused by ur comment on the whole. I never intended to hurt anybody’s feeling through my comment. Anyway dear Zoobee..Say “Astag-fir-Ullah”…means ‘forgive me, my lord’. Now, “Ironically, he left the Jamat-e-Islami for all things politics, yet, Dr spent life speaking in support of enforcement of Islamic political system aka Khilafat… a system that by default creates a second class citizenry composing of women, non-Muslims etc…” Here u r clearing the air tht u r not a supporter of Islamic law bestowed upon the human race from Allah, wch means u r not a muslim at all.

  • comment continued…i have nothing left to say dear. as the other ashfaq rightly points out “Surely we all will definitely know the truth one day 🙂 So just wait !” and if u rilli want to revert bck to islam…know islam better and InshaAllah I pray Allah to bestow us with his blessings and guide us all to the path of righteousness. P.S : No islamic political law does not creates a second class citizenry composing of women, non-Muslims etc… In fact they are held at a very higher position wher they belong wch this democratic and human-created laws fail to grant them. and one more thing…u called me a “fucktard”…i forgive u for tht. take care crone.

  • Dear Fucktard – yeah that be you “Mohammed Ashfaq-ur-Rahman Siddiqui”…

    Thank you Islam for thinking so highly of me – but, but, all I fucking want is to be treated equally just like fucktard “Mohammed Ashfaq-ur-Rahman Siddiqui”…

    Dear Fucktard, no, I will not forgive you for not treating me as an equal citizen…

    In case you’re wondering why is it that Maulana Zoobee is calling you a fucktard, allow me clue you in: don’t fucking judge people/citizens for their religion but rather actions!!

    Is Allah Muslim?

    -Zoobee

  • Oye jaahil Mohammed,

    Because of u, Mohammed is being carricatured like a bufoon in the whole world.

    Thanks

  • There’s a time and place for everything…….. Inna Lillahe wa Inna Ilhe Raje’oon.

  • You know what?
    Seriously, stop imposing your own beliefs on other people.

    I am a Muslim and I do wear sleeveless, if anybody has a problem with that fuck yourself! Srsly.

    Apart from that; I think it was a bad idea that something like this should have been posted about a dead man.
    But anyways peace out people xxx

  • Well, if you are a priest, you can call a woman anything. I remember a similar incident with a priest calling Shabana Azmi names on national television here.

  • @Zobee,

    So what is your comment on Israr doing if not judging him?

    Oh right ofcourse you can judge but others can’t judge you. Dr. Israr is not a good man because he spoke bad words but you can.

    Riiiiggghhhhttttt.

    Take your meds hon.

    X

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  • Fanaticism in any form is bad and dangerous too. It is a sad thing that our innocent countrymen are easily altered by aggressive speeches by these people and perhaps this also gives rise to extremism. Calling someone with names, which are considered unethical in the society, is totally unacceptable and it applies to everyone no matter what kind of status he/she enjoys.

  • Reading the post and then the little battle that has taken place between some people while commenting, it gives me an impression that we both sides try to impose their values on the other. There is a thin line between imposing and defending. The mutual intolerance we all share is may be our legacy. This is “verbal violence” I guess.

  • Dude am an Indian… and i read the post often coz it shows a different side of Pakistan to me….. I believe in allah…. altho I really don’t know wat the Koran says… but am sure it doesn’t instruct ppl to call women ‘haramzadi’… this Siddiqui dude is off his rocker and how…. I dunno y r u guys even wasting ur breath on turds like him….

  • the above argument is seriously disturbing- lashing out at others with profanities is indeed wrong…bt tell me somethin- has any single one of u never abused any1 ever…Dr. israr ahmed was only a man…men make mistakes..now I’m not trynna defend any of those ‘alleged’ blunders that he committed but c’mon people put things in a li’l bit ov perspective…that person was a very vocal supporter fr the cause of Khilafat..n thats what we should remb him for…even if he did indeed do all these things that have been alleged, it doesnt affect the masses who have only taken the good from his speeches and addresses..i yam sure the author of this ‘piece of info’ is the most honest honest, open minded, unprejudiced do-gooder i the world who’s neva uttered a bad word in his life n never judged any1 on any account and thats y he’s entitled to ‘enlighten’ us on dr sahib….peace!

  • @Zoobee : do you run a blog? Because I would love to visit it.

  • Well hello!! I wonder what Israr retarded, God-forsaken Ahmed would have thought about my passion for writing Erotica!
    I don’t care if he is dead or alive, but his darling muse Mr. Zakir Naik is guilty of similar crimes. When I attended one of his Q&A sessions, I asked him why women cant lead jamaat and he had no answer.
    Who cares! we will live the way we want. To hell with bearded mullahs!

  • doctor israr was a certifed pervert. I know it first hand.

  • Hazrat Moulana Dr Israf Rahamtullah would be laughing his ass off from the heaven after seeing this blog and specially the argument between the alleged Haramazadi and Janab muhtraaam ‘Mohammed Ashfaq-ur-Rahman Siddiqui’ who wouldn’t get the place with Dr Sahab and may not able to enjoy the gay porn together in heaven if he wouldn’t declare every one here ‘the great Infidel’.

  • Salaams,

    while I am a big fan of this blog and the writer, and also have certain misconceptions of so-called “Islamists”, this person is dead and is not here to defend himself, so we should just let Allah do the judging. I am sure we are all deficient in some ways of manners and the deen, and can rectify those.

    Peace out.

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  • I just want to know, women who wear full sleeves but don’t cover their heads are halalzadi or not.
    Wonder, its so easy to differenciate halalzadgi and haramzadgi in case of a woman, how about a man?

  • Would have been better if you had said what you have while the gentleman was alive. It seems churlish to bad-mouth him as he lies in his grave.

  • People don’t stop speaking ill of Hitler just ’cause he’s dead, do they? I don’t know what being dead’s got to do with being a bad example of a good human being. And this guy certainly did not follow the “live and let live” philosophy. And if you wan peace on earth (I do!), you have to let others do their thing and not force your own ideas on them. This dude clearly didn’t. Hence I would (since I want peace), point him out as someone unworthy of my admiration – whether he’s dead or alive.

  • Tazeen,

    I’ve followed the blog with some interest over the past few weeks, but I’m sad to say that this post has completely put me off. Here’s my take on the topic:

    If the statement you’ve credited Dr. Israr with is indeed true (though I highly doubt that) even then I feel that you’ve written the post from a very opinionated point of view. Since I know that you’ve been born and brought up in Pakistan, I know that you’ll be able to relate to it when I say that “enlightened and moderated” though we may have become, by and large the Pakistani cultural sensitivity does NOT embrace sleeveless attire in public. The sense to adhere to a proper dress code is taught in elementary schools (in Pakistani ones at least) and if your journalist friend was indeed out there to cover an MMA rally knowingly, she should have shown better sense.

    The problem with most religious ullemas (I do not include Dr. Israr in this category) is that they adopt a very hardliner stance on issues they’re working for and the problem with our educated youth is that they feel the need to belong to a culture which doesn’t really have a sound basis in the world we live in. While personal liberty is extremely important, what is more important is that personal liberty should not be used inconsiderately to alienate certain people or to incite anyone’s bitterness or hate.

    On the flip side of the coin, I don’t feel that criticizing someone is necessarily the way to go to make them understand about anything. Yet Dr. Israr being a man of religion may just have been delivering a religious verdict on your friend and yes, I feel he was perfectly entitled to do so because after all that’s what religious reformers are there for – to point out the rights from the wrongs (even the wrongs we don’t or don’t want to understand about). Alternately he might just have gotten pissed at the persistence of your friend and reacted. I’m sure we’ve all said some crazy things when we’re all flared up ourselves.

    Lastly, like some people above have already stated, I think it is best to reserve our judgments to ourselves and be tolerant of our differences of opinion and our moral and cultural perceptions. I hope that you will be able to appreciate that my comments/critique are only directed at your writing and not towards yourself. Best of luck with your blogging! I hope that you keep creating interesting and insightful content.

    – Maryam

  • Tazeen, I don’t know how old you are but Dr. Israr’s peak years were during the early Zia years. He was almost as big then a televangelist as Aamir Liaquat is now. But aside from his crackpot theories about reintroducing the khilafat, he was often known also as a man obsessed with sex (even more than mullahs usually are). He is best known for having issuing a fatwa against Imran Khan and recommending to Zia (who he regularly advised) to ban cricket altogether. The reason, in almost these words, was that ‘Imran and other cricketers shining the ball next to their groin created lustful thoughts in the women watching.’ No one with half a brain ever took him very seriously after that.

    Reading the comments above, I am also struck by two things:
    1. the Pakistani hesitation to speak any ill of the dead, as if all their sins get washed off the moment they croak. Did General Zia stop being a bastard who destroyed this country’s social fabric and become a saint because he died? Perhaps that explains our ability to never learn from historical mistakes.

    2. The total lack of historical perspective of some of the commenters. I have a feeling some of it has more to do with age (too young to remember and unwilling to read) than ideology. E.g. the Anon commenter above who says:

    “Pakistani cultural sensitivity does NOT embrace sleeveless attire in public”

    …as if that is a given truth. S/he should take a look at pictures of Pakistan URBAN society from the 60s and 70s to understand that this supposed aversion to sleeveless only came about during the Zia years because of the state enforcing a Saudi version of Islam. It was NEVER a part of “Pakistani cultural sensitivity” at least in the cities. And the aversion has waned since in any case… cultural norms are certainly not a static concept and there is certainly no ONE Pakistani culture (nor does there need to be).

  • Not defending the Dr but maybe he was referring to the actual marathon event and not your journalist friend, by saying ““West ne haramzadi ka huliya badal diya hai.” or maybe he meant haram-zadgi…as in, he was offended by scantily clad women running in the mixed audience streets of the Islami Jamhooriah e Pakistan. 😛

  • Dr Israr supported a very “Salafi” brand of Islam… and hence even in the religious circles you will find very few women who supported his cause.In my opinion even Maulana Maududi,who was also a hardliner, albeit a little before his time, had a relatively more liberal view.

    Dr Israr was a religious leader and yes, by that it was his duty to highlight the good and the evil however he did it in ways which were rather unbecoming for a man of his stature. He got his son married off on the 9th, 10th moharram to make a point. There are other instances of anti-fiq-e-jaffriyah statements, made by him. What he believed in, he felt he had the right to impose on others.

    A person who thinks that “fitna/fassad” is the way to make a certain religion popular among the masses has got to be kidding himself.

  • Hats off to Maryam/Anonymous for her words of wisdom.

    Tazeen would be more effective if she could learn to show a little restraint. Dr Israr Ahmed was not Hitler and he does not deserve to be treated with the contempt that some people have displayed here.

    Just shows how intolerant Pakistani society has become. The so-called westernised liberals are just as bad in this respect as the religious fanatics they loathe. Both groups are well educated and intelligent but each seems bereft of wisdom and good upbringing. At the end of the day, mere “education” is a poor substitute for “tarbiyyat” and “hikmat”.

  • I once saw the Good Doctor, on television, advocate the following: Impose Jizya on all non-muslims; he called it a “karvi gaut” (bitter condition?). He was also a fan of handing Pakistan’s law and order to the wise Beard Brigade.

    I respectfully disagree.

    Oh, incidentally, in the same show, the jabbering host produced a Fatwa from other Bearded Brigands who, through excellent deductions from Fiqh and Shariah declared following the Good Doctor a sign of deviation.

  • zia ne pakistan ki maar di..

  • @ All the above commenter – */’Auzubillaahi-minash-shaitaan-nir-rajeem. Bismillaah-ar-rahman-nir-raheem’- I seek refuge in Allah from Satan the outcast. All praises be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds./* Dear friends, I am a muslim. Alhamdulilaah. and i observe most of the commenters here are muslims as well. Alhamdulilaah. i will not comment anything abt the blog but the comments made here catch my attention. who was dr. israr ahmed and why is he thrown in the center stage here. dr. israr ahmed was a muslim scholar who loved his religion and his god. why is he hated or loved? we wud kno by learning wht was the cause he dedicated his life for. Islam! Islam is the religions of the muslims. muslims believe in monotheism and hence they follow Islam. Islam is not just abt monotheism, but brotherhood, peace, equality, and much more for the betterment of the human race. thats wht human race require to continue its existence on this planet. this can ONLY be achieved in the light of the holy Quran wch was bestowed upon us by our Lord Allah (Azzo Jal). so dr.israr ahmed dedicated his life in learning this book and presenting it to those who are away frm it. now we agree tht we r away frm it coz if we were steadfast to this holy book, we wud never keep anything ahead of this ‘word frm god’. u may acquire anything and everything in the world u desire, but the pleasure will never equal or weight minuscule of the pleasure Islam has to offer through the holy Quran. coz Quran brings us closer to god and nobody on this planet cud desire anything more than learning abt his creator. when Allah tests us to see how we desire the worldly pleasures or ‘the truth’. he asks us “then which of your Lords blessings will you both (humans and jinn) deny?” and reminds us of “and how could you disbelieve while to you were being recited the verses of Allah.” we still dont adhere to his saying and run after this materialistic world wch is limited and lasts till u die. Allah says “we have made everything simple and easy for ur understanding only if u have wisdom.” now…how far have we come? allah classifies haraam and halal, we challenge our lord by doin haraam things and doubting halal. we place our interests before our lords orders. we think our understanding is better than our lords. simple example can be taken frm this blog post, “hijab is prescribed for the female gender for their betterment, but ppl here argue in shamelessness against hijab. they want to wear sleeveless dress coz they think nothings wrong wid tht. they find pleasure in exposing their bare hands to the people. now its juts bare hands today, their next step wud be…low jeans to expose their underwear brand. and i leave their intentions for ur imagination. this is how it starts until their doom. so basically its all due to being away from the ‘code of life’ our lord prescribed us. he clearly said if u leave this, u wud be left astray. and how much thts true we can see wid our eyes. this world is in a mess. tht wch cannot be sorted out unless u follow the light of holy quran. now tht said. i dont blame us for being away frm the Quran. i m myslf away frm it but i strive evry minute fighting myslf to get closer to it. as the prophet Mohammed (SAWS) said “the greatest jihad is the Jihad within ourslf” we shud take this as a new beginning to learn and understand and then present others this masterpiece our lord has bestowed upon us. I pray to Allah to shower his blessings upon us and guide us all to the path of righteousness. aameen. (i m not offending nor defending the subject of this discussion. i leave evrythin unbiased. and please forgive me for any grammatical errors and typos) and also forgive me for writing such a long comment. 😛

  • and if dr. saab wud have been alive today and read this post, he wud remember his mistake and asked the girl for her forgiveness. he wud then suggest her to endorse hijab so tht no mans evil eyes fall on her and she be graceful and pure as a women is meant to be. dr. saab’s reaction to this girls attire must be out of anger. tht wch he himslf wud have repented by seeking for her forgiveness.

  • Hey XYZ – I recognised Dr Israr’s face from my childhood days in the early nineties.

    His mouth moved but all I cared was that he’ld get his blathering over with so that those six kids who did Tafseer-ul-Quran for 16 minutes could show up, get it all out of the way and PTV’s 2:30 pm cartoon would begin. Good times, Good Times. PTV introduced me to Swat Kats and the annoying face of Dr Israr.

    So I didn’t learn what name was attached to that weird face till the early 2000’s but whatever.

    So when my parent called me and I asked for any worthwhile updates, they said Dr Israr is dead. First I said who? Then upon realisation dawning I said, “Finally some Good News.”

    I have never been prouder of mortifying my parents. Sadly, this is the only way to screw these types over, they believe in the power of the danda, they and their mindset has to be shocked and awed into submission.

  • Anyway for me, Dr Israr belongs firmly in the past when we used to watch Ainak Wala Jinn.

    It’s Back ! ! !

    Thank You Express Tribune and Erase and Rewind Blog.

  • http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100915542&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20100418

    Dr Israr Ahmad, A Pillar of 21st Century! by Mubbasher Luqman (Express News)

  • It isn’t much fun talking to people who choose to hide their identities. There are too many ‘anonymouses’ here! Oh dear, do you not have the courage of your convictions to reveal who you are?

    That the deceased gentleman had first rate intelligence is not in doubt. We do not need Mubashir Luqman to tell us that. The problem is that Pakistan is being destroyed by self-indulgent and pompous intelligent people who refuse to acknowledge that their adversaries may be equally intelligent human beings. This ‘cauldron of vanities’ is the root cause of our misfortune. Intelligence is one thing, nobility of character something else altogether. Dr Israr Ahmed’s tragedy was that he did not possess the character to rise above the level of a highly refined mullah.

    What exactly does ‘Islam’ mean to you, Mr/Ms Anonymous? Would you care to click on the following two links before you come back with yet another sermon?

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam.html

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/04/pulling-quaid-e-azam-every-which-way.html

    [this is actually the third instalment of a series of 4 posts – I hope to put up the last instalment shortly]

  • Good thing you didn’t insult the man, though.

  • and Sakib what about the non-muslims..the na-pak? any tips for them?..or should they first be made pak through conversion ?
    may be hose them with some halal water later on…

    As Ahmed said: zia ne maar di.

    did you know that Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, didnt keep a beard, din’t know a word of urdu or arabic..he spoke gujrati..his grandfather was a wealthy hindu rajput..his wife was a wealthy parsi who died heart-broken at the age of 29..(.his grandson is nusli wadia..a famous industrialist in india)..he wore magrabi clothes..suits, boots and all the jazz.and Jinnah certainly wasn’t a teetotaler..do you even care to get off your lazy arse and read books not written by mullahs?
    you and your like have been totally brain-washed. people in pakistan till the 70s dint keep beards religiously..people in pakistan used to say Khuda-hafiz till about 20 years ago…and wore sarees at functions till the late 60s…think about it..

  • This post and the ensuing comments make me so sad. when will we ever learn to become a more tolerant society. I can certainly see ‘freedom of expression’ thriving in Pakistan but will there ever be ‘freedom after expression’? Regardless of the content of this post, Tazeen has a right to express herself and that is the bottom line! I am sure there are much better ways of conveying your sentiments about Dr. Israr to Tazeen (for example, through anecdotes about how much he meant to you as a person or as a scholar). If she comes around and understands the hurt or delight this post caused to its readers then good on her otherwise her loss…bus enough said!

  • XYZ,

    I still cant get over the fact that Imran Khan has moved from one end of the compass to other in one life time. From being the object of fatwa to piggy backing with fatwa issuers of worst order.

  • Dude.

    That is sick.

  • “Was he promoting such levels of tolerance to his thousands of followers? Just wondering…”

    Well Dr. Israr never deemed people who listened to him as his “Followers”. And neither is he supposed be perfect (he was just a guy, after all).

    But the reason I respect him is because he happened to be a walking-talking encyclopedia of Islamic history….

    Some oh-I-completed-my-A-levels-from-so-and-so-expensive-school-and-have-a-foreign-education folks think they are smarter, more aware and just plain better than every one…

    Maybe you should research his life and work a little more and then re-blog.

  • dr. had his weaknesses

    but he ws a great scholar.
    historian
    he ws conservative
    way too much
    bt an idealist
    nd honest … i hav alot of respect for him

  • Sheikh.
    you are a funny person.

    when was the last time you chatted with a non-muslim?

  • @TLW – That comment made me smile and took me back a few years, I know exactly what you mean those 16 or so min were some of the longest of my life.

  • @Tazeen!
    Dr Israr has been against MMA and its electoral politics. How did he participate in their rally? I despite being a rightist disagree with him due his opposition to electoral politics but I as for as I have heard about him he can’t use that Language. I would suggest you to contact Quran Academy near Village Restaurant on the See View in Karachi. Eng Naveed is heading that institute. You should better take his version on this. I will provide his cell number if requested.

  • There were more mourners in India for him amongst Indian Muslims

  • @Rehaan

    Chatted with a non-muslim about what?
    Were you being sarcastic?

  • I fail to understand all muslims keep going on the extreme side. Well actually I do not know the authenticity of this incident and what were the circumstances. If the person has passed we should really talk about it. Ethically it is wrong to call names and it is the girl’s life. Islam allows her to do as she wishes and no1 can really impose their way of life on others.

  • Nobody has the right to dictate or judge a person on what he or she should wear, what he should do, and what he shouldn’t do, if it is in no way harmful to the civil society itself. Why couldn’t Dr. Israr Ahmed take out time to call the Taliban Haramzaday who spray acid on young women, beat them just because their ankles were bare while they were passing by, and barred them from education, or even enterring outside. But our society just lovesss to control each other, not with standing how corrupt we ourselves are, thinking some how this would make us more religious and bring us closer to Allah.

    I don’t think Allah would accept our prayers, if in the routine of performing them we ended up hurting another soul, that is His creations, or insulted His creations in any way.

    No wonder, it was Dr. Israr Ahmed who called for banning cricket, opposed education for women and alot of neo conservatism crap, and was the apply of the eye of Zia ul Haq.

  • and if a woman wants to wear sleeveless, or a burqa, it is upto her to decide, not any individual, or the society. In Pakistan we have constitutional freedom to practise whatever we deem fit, if it does not in any way turns out to be a criminal practice.

    And yeahh it is Jinnah’s Pakistan, and not Dr. Israr Ahmed or his fanatic loony Inc.’s Pakistan.

  • @ Saad Azher

    It does take one back.

    Seriously, nobody’s fully accounted for all those wonderful shows that kept us entertained way back then.

    Here Dishoom Dishoom’s take on it.

    He’s got a start on it, but I think we can all add to it.

    Wishing you the best,

    TLW

  • Just a question: Did your friend put the pic up in reverence or as a joke? If she put it up as a tribute, maybe she is the best person to answer as to why she did so despite being abused, as you put it. 🙂 I’d like to know.

  • Looking through the comments since my last visit here, I see that Imran’s comments have been directed at me. I am sorry, Imran, I do not see the relevance of a person’s beard or language to Islam. Nor is the length of time that a person or his family has been Muslim of any significance. What matters is one’s actions: that indeed is the only yardstick that Allah will use to judge a person.

    It is not easy to know what you are getting at. You seem to have completely misunderstood what I said earlier. In view of your references to Quaid-e-Azam, non-Muslims and Islam, here are some links which will help you appreciate my point of view:

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/04/pakistans-liberals-and-mullahs-two.html

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/03/pulling-quaid-e-azam-every-which-way.html

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam.html

  • this guy hates women cos’ none of them would ever sleep with him. fucktard. acha hua marr gaya.

  • These types of incidents show that the extremist elements in our society must be finished. I fail to understand why are people like this. But another thing that doing a blog post about such thing is also being stupid. Its their life let them say and do whatever the hell they want to. Cant we talk about sumthin more productive? And why do you have to bring such a thing up when the personal has already passed away.

  • Let bygones be bygones RIP!

  • Definitely a role model.

  • Bonjour Tazeen,

    Seeing that already 69 people have commented your post, I am wondering if it makes sens to add something.

    While reading your post and then listening to this strange video END OF TIME featuring “Carmina Burana” at high speed, I can’t help thinking this: is Muslim religion mainly a means to keep half of humanity in bondage? Nearly all the trouble we have here in the West with Muslims is about how to treat women.

    It is truly a man-made creed, made for men, kind of receipe how to keep the females under the thump.

    Strange however, there are many fully convinced Muslim women. On the other hand, there are also many millions of Catholic women in spite of the fact that the Church disdains them. But the Catholics have lost their teeth.

    Georg

  • Israr Ahmed was my grand-uncle on my father’s side.

    My grandfather, personally pious, but socially liberal that he is, tells us that his cousin always had one huge issue… he didn’t allow for the possibility of a person being a ‘bad’ Muslim.

    It is possible for a person to be a Muslim, believe in the Good Lord, and love his Messenger… but not quite “be there” in their pratice or observances. It’s as if being a Muslim means you have to be more Muhammad than Muhammad (s) himself – over night.

    It’s a basic human shortcoming of not being merciful with the other, not acknowledging the supreme complicatedness that is the human ‘psyche.’

    I for one am closer to the Tahir Qadri interpretation of Islam, although his politics make me cringe (and his devotees are often-times, beyond ridiculous).

  • Mere pakistani bhaiyon.
    First you took away Sania.
    Now you have enticed Madhuri Gupta.
    Is there such severe shortage of gals in pak.

  • Dear All,
    I just could not read below the comments of “Holier than Thou”. Yes you guessed it, Mr. Mohammed Ashfaq-ur-Rahman Siddiqui.
    I am sure there will be lots of brouhaha raised by the people (sane and wise ones) to counter his “touch of kick assery genius” words.

    As i will add is, what amazes me is that such “born again muslims” and “flag bearers of islamic revival” can abuse/belittle/derogate a lady and preach you to “Fear Allah” and that all in one breath. My o my, such a heavy work-out of human lungs.

    As for the post, we all do something good and bad in this life. If we never speak up when the culprit is alive we should then let things be for following reasons:
    1. The 2nd is not here to defend him/herself
    2. You cant do much about it.

    If you have to write then why don’t write about the “bright lights at the end of tunnel” like Mr. Siddique.

    Regards

  • Aaah…well written!!

    Enjoyed reading through this post.
    Kinda glad you actually got to SOIL your mind by going to UK. Can’t say I’m not happy for you 😀

    Cheers
    Deboshree

  • tazeen – think this blog entry has generated the most juicy responses. You have absolutely got it spot on when you mention the 180 degree turn by IK. But when we look around, the most hardened relgiosity is found among those whose bachelor pads were infamous for their singular focus on pleasure and its pursuit. Rock on with your blog.

    Loved SMCI response.

  • Well thats how it is… when we have influence’s who themselves dont know what they actually say and what they actually feel than the nation will be an outcome of mixed terrorized liberal beings ….

  • I am as liberal as you get but guys like Zobee make me sick. Why do you need to use profanities to attack right wing. There is no difference b/w them and you. I may not agree with Dr Israr Ahmed but I would never use such words for any one.

  • I agree name calling is hardly civil, and it was wrong for Dr. Israr to do so, but don’t we all call each other names from time to time?
    Every bearded man we see frowning at the indecencies around him, we label as a moulvi, or a mullah or whatnot. Putting aside the degree of grossness of the name called, what Dr. Israr did was nothing different than what all Pakistanis do in one form or another.
    And touching on the topic of what your friend was wearing that day; its cool with me, and i guess most men even savoured it. I guess its about where one draws the line. Your friend drew it at sleeveless, Dr. Israr probably drew it a long way back, someone might dare to draw it at bikini tops in the summers. Where is the point when its taking it too far?
    (Now, to rebut the accusations of sexism after that last paragraph, )male clothing is hardly appropriate as well; tight pants outlining hardware, and the tightest shirts showing them pokies… indecent and gross!
    A reply from the author would be appreciated.

  • hayeeeeeeeee TJ….you should be given an award for writing a post like this after his death and the comments you received are just over the top……specially the definition of haramzaadi…..bhayee buhat aala soch hai bhai ki.

    seriously who speaks of a dead like this but you…..brilliant take on hypocritical scholars…..on my facebook, friends were asking to recite surah e fatiha for this so-called great islamic scholar.

  • O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former; nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former, nor defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. How bad is it, to insult one’s brother after having Faith . And whosoever does not repent, then such are indeed Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.).

    (SURAH HUJURATH, AYAH 11)

  • It was by a mercy from God that, you were lenient with them. Had you been harsh and hard-hearted, they would surely have scattered away from about you. Then pardon them, pray for their forgiveness, and take counsel with them in their affairs; and when you are resolved, put your trust in God. Surely God loves those who put their trust in Him.

    (Surat Aali Imran: 159)

    “Wal bayinatu ‘alal Muda’i.”

    (The burden of proof is on the one making the claim)

    The folks criticizing Dr. Ahmed, as well as the woman he insulted for her ‘sultry’ attire, didn’t make any claims to being upright people who should be looked upon as examples for Muslims to emulate. On the other hand, Dr. Ahmed claimed to be a man of God.

    Yet as we see in this particular incident, he gloriously failed to live up to Prophetic standards, opting instead to be hard-hearted and merciless in insulting an unsuspecting woman.

    All the rest of the words written here are just a commentary on how multiple people saw Dr. Ahmed fail time-and-again to be a genuine “Man of God,” since he was too concerned with bashing people over the head with the Law, rather than making them understand and love it.

  • O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong

  • The guy had pretty extremist views. I heard him quite a few times on TV and it was truly disillusioning – talk of the ‘moderate’ Muslims we are having today!

  • Dr. Israr unable to answer audience !

  • Unfortunately our youth is under wrong impressions of such “ulemas”. He is not the only one of those. Once they started following, they become “blind”. However, I had first came to know Dr.I has used such words and I am really shocked as many of my friends also follows him 🙁

  • I read all comments and each comment shows the mentality of the person who wrote the comment. One thing everybody should consider, every one is responsible for his deeds and Dr Israr has spent his whole life to spread Islam . He was a medical doctor and could earn his living like others for this life. He was a great scholar of Quran and his death is a big loss to islamic world.

  • hi every one ,
    who ever gave bad comment on dr asrar ahmed need to test there DNA , i can surelly say that they are harram kay tukham cause harrami blood always frustrate them and try to stop hallal muslims to spread islam and stop these harramzadis to show there fucking ass to other harramis . now if any body comment on me will be same frustrated harami and will show his fucking familly history to me and others in the form of abuses which there mother and father desreve.
    JazakAllah.
    may ALLAH GIVE DR ASRAR GOOD PLACE IN JANNAT (Amine)

  • Its shame for most of you. You people have no respect for youself. I am very surprised by the language some of you have used. Women in Islam should exactly know how to behave to be respected. I wish if we stop saying evils about others and be very mindful of our speech and action. Live in loving kindness and compassion. Thanks Zahida

  • Dr.Israr Ahmed was a man of dignity, humble nature and a very soft spoken person. His strict and rigid attitude towards the parda of muslim women was just because it is the most lacking thing today and it leads to many heinous sins. I never heard of him speaking in such a manner..infact we people also get pissed at times over something and treat it likewise so did happen there..things go wrong and unusual sometimes..he kept propagating for it in the most best manner for more than 50 years!

  • For all who are against of ISlam and Dr israr. Mind your language, God already discussed the breed of Muslims in Quran , Who will sabotage the quranic orders, and will damage the image of people who are on God ways. If Dr sahab say something to a lady was because of the protocol set by Quran (now dont tell me that Quran allowed sleeveless for women).

    If you dont want to do right things than its your own fate you so called bunch of liberal moderate, broad minded Musalmans.

    Muslims like you are the biggest critics of Islam , If Dr Israr allows that girl to wear Sleevelss than what will be your comments ????

  • God knows if you’re telling the truth or not, but at any rate, I agree that you are a disgrace. Learn to dress ‘ladylike’ in an Islamic society and perhaps you might be afforded ladylike respect.

  • Inna lilLaahi wa innailahiraajioon – To Allah we belong and to Him we will return.

    I pray to our one and only CREATOR to forgive dr.Israr’s sins in this world and grant him paradise for the good work he did in this world.

  • If you put lifestyle choice before religion you get articles like this.

  • I am surprised by ur article. Similar ppl existed during the time of prophet PBUH. If it’s too much for u to be a practicing Muslim, then it’s ur bad luck. Don’t blam it on other ppl. If u prefer sleeveless on Islamic teachings, well then ur education has really altered ur mentality and Dr.Israr’s comments hold true.

  • i believe u(haramzadi) is a wanabe n culture u r following will not accept u because ur not 1 of them
    Ppl like u should be told off if u r dressed inappropriate infront of an elder n religious scholar in that country which made only for that sole purpose that muslim will practice islam completely which was not possible with influence of other culture, religion & economy

  • To Reluctant Mind and all others,

    AOA to all….

    a post is raised by someone who didnt hear those words by her own,,,and I agree to nt use abuse language for anyone…because it is haram in our religion,,,,bt I dnt belive in media guys becuase mostly they r spreading fake news…and eveyone konw abt this…what media is going these days…

    question is this y r we following scholars….we have everything available with us…Quran..Hadeess,,,,then y r we following them….each and every thing is available ….please dnt give wrong impression of Islam….if we are not gud muslims…then it doesnt means…Islam is nt gud…we are not practicing Islam and we are balming others…rather fighting on what a lady dressed …and if you want to follow islamic rules… just read Quran and hadees…everything u will find,,,,if u dnt wana to follow islamic rules..then plz plz plz…dnt ruin the true values of islam….Our religion said when u hear something ….then first varify before spreading that news…..we people just listen one news from some one and dnt konow how much authentic is that..and just pass it to others….

    just think…who will be responsible for the sin of using abuse language in this blog…..

    if some one is nt gud driver of islam then it doesnt means..islam is nt gud…it measn…driver should improve their skills to know abut islam…smae like a driver of car….if some one is driving car gud…then it doesnt mean….car is nt gud..it measns….driver should increase their skilss…

    plz plz plz….if some one dnt wana to follow islamic rules…then plz plz dnt ruin islam…. I am not saying i m gud driver of islam..bt i avoid and never ever saying islam is bad and for me it is nt necessry to follow scholar …if some scholar is goig again islam i will nt follow that guy..becaz for me he is nothing….
    and Islam doesnt means like that u can follow 6 rules out of 10…its nt like a economics or maths paper….Islam means to follow 10/10 rules….

    and last bt nt least….plzz dnt read scholars…just read Quran and hadees..everything will b clear….and trust me islam is nt difficult to practice or to follow scholars to practice islam…

    and i feel that its nt easy to convince some one these days…becz every one think he is following islam his own way and he is right without havein knowledge of Islamic values…. if some one hurt for my post ..then i sooryy…and hope no body will promote the bad picture of islam….

    tc..cheers…AH

  • To Reluctant Mind and all others,

    AOA to all….

    a post is raised by someone who didnt hear those words by her own,,,and I agree to nt use abuse language for anyone…because it is haram in our religion,,,,bt I dnt belive in media guys becuase mostly they r spreading fake news…and eveyone konw abt this…what media is going these days…

    question is this y r we following scholars….we have everything available with us…Quran..Hadeess,,,,then y r we following them….each and every thing is available ….please dnt give wrong impression of Islam….if we are not gud muslims…then it doesnt means…Islam is nt gud…we are not practicing Islam and we are balming others…rather fighting on what a lady dressed …and if you want to follow islamic rules… just read Quran and hadees…everything u will find,,,,if u dnt wana to follow islamic rules..then plz plz plz…dnt ruin the true values of islam….Our religion said when u hear something ….then first varify before spreading that news…..we people just listen one news from some one and dnt konow how much authentic is that..and just pass it to others….

    just think…who will be responsible for the sin of using abuse language in this blog…..

    if some one is nt gud driver of islam then it doesnt means..islam is nt gud…it measn…driver should improve their skills to know abut islam…smae like a driver of car….if some one is driving car gud…then it doesnt mean….car is nt gud..it measns….driver should increase their skilss…

    plz plz plz….if some one dnt wana to follow islamic rules…then plz plz dnt ruin islam…. I am not saying i m gud driver of islam..bt i avoid and never ever saying islam is bad and for me it is nt necessry to follow scholar …if some scholar is goig again islam i will nt follow that guy..becaz for me he is nothing….
    and Islam doesnt means like that u can follow 6 rules out of 10…its nt like a economics or maths paper….Islam means to follow 10/10 rules….

    and last bt nt least….plzz dnt read scholars…just read Quran and hadees..everything will b clear….and trust me islam is nt difficult to practice or to follow scholars to practice islam…

    and i feel that its nt easy to convince some one these days…becz every one think he is following islam his own way and he is right without havein knowledge of Islamic values…. if some one hurt for my post ..then i sooryy…and hope no body will promote the bad picture of islam….

    tc..cheers…AH

  • What an over rated person with such a colorful history most people dont know about. Sometimes I wonder what would become of a country where people have opinions on the basis of superficial disguise. A real Islamic scholar would never user such idiotic language to hurt anyone’s feelings. That clearly shows that the man lacks morality and true sense of Islam!

  • What if tazeen is making fake story. according to islam sleeveless or half sleeve is haraam,.I m not mulla but.for sure I came.across this.verse in Quran..

  • Sahib-zaada – male
    Sahib-zaadi-female
    Sheh-zaada
    Sheh-azaadi
    Haraam-zaada
    Haraam-zaadi
    So being sleeveless front of Islamic scholar what can you expect, its been morethan a year since this blog start it but the comments! Speecheless.
    Allah sab ko hidaya de.

  • I think sh must have said something wrong about Islam or Ulma before he called her that. I had this in 1994 on a charity camp, I was on the front desk issuing receipts to people and handing over Islamic leaflets about helping others, a woman came to me and started talking rubbish about Ulma and Maulvis, I have full Beard, I asked her to stop but she was loud and abusive, and then some othe person from the camp said something to her in abusive way and then she was more abusive and blaming that we were abusing her. The police was involved and removed that woman because other people around told the police about that woman, I think this is the same case and she is a media woman having a go on Islam as most of the world is

  • I do not care what other people have said but Ashfaq ur Rehman Siddiqui is quite right ‘Haramzada’. Isn’t it?

  • I love Dr. Sb (r.a) more than my parents now talk to me what the problem with you guys?

    Those who comment against him first let you clear your Deen/Religion first than it will be quite easy to teach you people. You the followers of WEST!

  • Book 024, Number 5310:

    AbU Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said this: Two are the types of the denizens of Hell whom I did not see: people having flogs like the tails of the ox with them and they would be beating people, and the women who would be dressed but appear to be naked, who would be inclined (to evil) and make their husbands incline towards it. Their heads would be like the humps of the bukht camel inclined to one side. They will not enter Paradise and they would not smell its odour whereas its odour would be smelt from such and such distance.

  • Ohh but Indifference Curves and derivatives are not part of O’level Economics Syllabus. Why were you teaching the poor kid all that. 😉 On a more serious note…loved your article as I can pretty much relate to it.

  • Allah hum sub ko Islam samajhne ki aur us pe amal karne ki tofeeq ata farmaye
    ameen.

  • Before someone decides to discredit Dr Asrar of his intellect and efforts, please visit http://www.quranurdu.com/bayanulquran/ to find out for yourself what he has to say.

  • Dr Asrar was a perfect man all his life he worked fr Islam, people like you who have nil/zero knwoledge of Islam, can not even think about talking on him, he was a leader he was a imaam, well we never saw him speking ill or calling names instead whena comminity called names to him he didnt called names back but told them to talk with him. he was a brilliant man, what u are writing here has no proof. kindly review.

    islamiinqalab.blogspot.com

  • hahahaha. This banda was so typical. Reminds me of a professor who fails girls who haven’t covered their heads. And you have to make sure he sees you with a dupatta on your head at times other than the test so he doesn’t say “why are you wearing it now – I’m aware you don’t normally wear it.” Man I can’t wait to graduate and go back to living with the rest of the haramzadas who don’t make you deal with such bullshit on a regular basis.

  • fear Allah tazeen and others who are speaking ill of a man who dedicated his entire life spreading the word of Allah…..i dont know about that story and how authentic it is, but regardless, 1 mistake does not justify the way people are commenting, it is disgusting to see some Muslims talk as if they are non Muslims….take pride in Islam not western liberalism……..

  • I am an Indian and a big fan of Dr. Israr Ahmed. I have started following his lectures and books since last two months only and i fully agree with his ideology since they are according to Qur’an and sunnah..

    We should believe and follow what has been taught to us by Allah through his prophet and not make our own laws. Those who say “My Life, My Rules” are no one but plain ignorants. They do not have any clue as who is their creator, why have they been created, where will they go when they die. We have not been given life by Allah to live it on our own way, in fact the way that Allah has taught us through his prophet. It includes women wearing hijab, i.e covering themselves from head to toe. So please follow Allah’s teachings, not our own thinkings. Pardon me for my poor english.

    -Shoeb Khan

  • I am an Indian and a big fan of Dr. Israr Ahmed. I have started following his lectures and books since last two months only and i fully agree with his ideology since they are according to Qur’an and sunnah..

    We should believe and follow what has been taught to us by Allah through his prophet and not make our own laws. Those who say “My Life, My Rules” are no one but plain ignorants. They do not have any clue as who is their creator, why have they been created, where will they go when they die. We have not been given life by Allah to live it on our own way, in fact the way that Allah has taught us through his prophet. It includes women wearing hijab, i.e covering themselves from head to toe. So please follow Allah’s teachings, not our own thinkings. Pardon me for my poor english.

    -Shoeb Khan

  • Asalamu alaicum ,some one told me about dr israr and i searched on net ,im extremly grieved and shocked to know wot this gentle men said,our holy prophet (p.b.u.h) never called any type of female with any names ,if he did not like some thing he use to turn his face away from that person but never used abusive language,sorry people religious or non religious Allah and Holy Prophet has not given us the permission to insult or use abusive language towards any one not even with animals, Islam spread due to love and patience and forgiveness this is wot Prophet (pbuh) taught us ,all of us think we are scholars ,i have often seen people who call them self religious abuse non religious ,sorry to save they are answerable of there deeds and U of ur deeds ,so i beg all of U before call this respected Lady in abusive language see wot U r ,its a sin and Allah want forgive as hukuk ul ibad will not be forgiven ,and my dear sister Zoobie U to dont be short tempered ,Ur only answerable to Allah not the people ,next time before we abusive some one pls do think about azab e kabar we will get wot we do in this world ,may Allah unite us muslims and show us the right path ameen ,and forgive dr israr if he has done such a deed ,no matter scholar aur maulive aur no matter on wot hi rank a person thinks he or she is they will have to reply of there deeds ,hamaray pyaray nabi na farmaya tha maray bad koe nabi naheen aay ga tomhain sahe rah dikhanay k lea Quran aur mayre sunnat ha es ko mazbute sa tham lo tafarakay aur fitnay mei mat padho.instead of falling into these things we have to see how to save muslims who are converting into non muslims ,may Allah show all of us the right path and forgive us ameen .

  • @Sahar

    اس بلاگ میں زیادہ تر مغرب پرست اور اندھی تقلیدر کے خوگر ایک دوسرے پہ گند اچھالنے کے لئے جمع ہو جاتے ہیں. آپ کی نپی تلی تحریر دیکھ کے حیرت ہوئی- تاہم ایک نکتے کی وضاحت میں ضروری سمجھتا ہوں- کیا آپ کو علم ہے کہ جو کچھ آپ نے “سنت” کے متعلق کہا ہے یہ مرحوم اسرار احمد کے نقطۂ نگاہ کی عکاسی کرتا ہے؟ “سنت” ایک نظریہ بن چکی ہے جس کی تعریف لوگ اپنی مرضی کے مطابق کر دیتے ہیں – کیا اس کی تعریف آپ کو قرآن میں نہیں ملتی؟ رسول کریم کے کردار، عادات اور اعمال پر قرآن میں روشنی ڈالی گئی ہے- کیا یہ کافی نہیں؟ مسلمانوں میں تفرقہ کی ایک بڑی وجہ “سنت” کی مختلف تعریفیں جو اندھی تقلید کرنے والوں نے گھڑ رکھی ہیں- اس زمین پر انسانی زندگی کے متعلق تمام ہدایات قرآن میں موجود ہیں- اس کے بعد “سنت” کی تلاش کی ضرورت نہیں رہتی- اسلام ایک زندہ دین ہے، “سنت والوں” نے اسے ایک مردہ مذہب بنا کے رکھ دیا ہے- مزید تفصیل
    کے لئے نیچے دیا ہوا رابطہ دبائیے

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/islam-misrepresented-and-misunderstood.html

  • In this world There are atheist, agnostic, people who believe in god but not any religion… And then there are those whose sole aim in life is to hate on religions and people who believe in it… You dear blogger belong to the later group… Why don’t u stop worrying about what people say and think about you and get on with your life… Writing these kinds of blog will anyway not increase or decrease from your image in the eyes of these people… Stop trying to justify what you do by hating on those who do not agree with you…

  • Lo G … Pehle sirf Israr Sahab ko pata tha , ab sari dunya ko pata chal raha hai , kia zarurat thi aesi mashoori ki ??? achi larkiyo! aese larte nahi aur buzurgon ki dant dapat aur galiyon ko dil pe nahi lete … apni islah ki fikar karte hote hain … aur marne walon k liye ghalat alfaz istamal nahi karte … hum ne bhi ek din marna hai … aur kuch baten hans k taal bhi deni chahiyen pakar k to na beth jao, wo buzurg hain keh sakte hain, hum pe ehtaram lazim hai … ajib daur hai log marne mar dalne pe tulay hain .. aur kitne kitne ghatiya mazaq post kiye hain is blog pe , Astaghfirullah , koi khuda ka khauf karo , apni egoes ko support karne ki bajaye try to look for the truth . may Allah guide us to the right path Aameen

  • Blog mai ap ne jo kuch bhi likha hai, wo Israr Ahmed Sahib ki personality se bilkul match nahi karta. to mai to isko sach consider nahi kar raha. meri student ke abba ne us se ye kaha, dr. sahib ne meri dost ko ye kaha.. ye sab to bari bani banaee batain lag rahi hain.

  • Dr israr, was a nut case, very gud that he is dead and long gone to helllllllll………..

  • Some1 started this forum on a single person’s ALLEGATION against a dead man not here to defend himself. Accusation is of ‘Abusing’, its still only an accusation. Whereas almost everybody in their posts here have abused each other / him or abused just for fun…and these posts are a written proof to it.
    If you are sending him to hell on assumption of one time abuse, then where are the writers of all these posts above here are destined to ???
    Why dont we check our own immoralities first… ? before worrying about our dead !!

  • In our part of the world we forget: “Innocent until proven guilty.”
    we believe: Guilty till proven innocent…!!!!!

  • people who are speaking ill of Dr. Israr Rehmatullah Alaih will surely face it after their death…they should be afraid….and let them start correcting themselves before passing judgments on a story no one knows if it even happened…..what have you done for Islam lately?? supporting secular views all your life wont get you anywhere

  • wow the amusing thing is a story about a journalist is posted by a blogger. secondly no reference to who the journalist was.i may have differences with dr. sahb but will not utter a single bad word about him after he is passed.and i am 100% sure that dr. israr was better muslim than me and all the commenters.baqi allah knows better.

  • MAY ALLAH Bless doctor sab. He is true Islamic leader.

    A sick minded thoughts and writing a blog about doctor sab.

  • we have a serious problem in our country, anyone and everyone who can read a line or two of quran thinks it is his/her right to judge other people, call them bad names, show their bad opinion forcefully and the mullahs top this list

  • First of all reading some of the posts in this blog has made me to wonder about the religion of the blogger. May be an atheist? becuase in all the religions there are some codes of conducts which are to be strictly followed wiether you like them or not, i.e like the dress codes so if in islam a modest dress code is described so it should be followed and it applies to both of the genders.

    2ndly i am a muslim living abroad but sometimes in my conscience i feel ashamed of my self because i am not a good muslim rather not muslim at all. I drink and take pleasure in womanising. whenever i see a woman in a dress which is not so modest like the blogger describe sleeve less or some how revealing i feel a hard on and i cannot tell you that which part of woman body can arouse me more because all seems to have an intoxicating effect on me. Since i have the power of money so usually i can get woman of my choice and i tell you that money has the power to trap and mold any female just as you like. With the power of money even a monkey can get access to the intimacies of any woman, be it a housewife , super model, miss world ,, princess diana or whatever. The western modern society is free of everything which comes in the way of human personal pleasures. And now thanks to the concept of personal liberties our women are also on the move. They are not only blunt in expressing themselves but have a nerve to adopt the ways which are restricted or prohibited under the religion. So whenever i come back home on vacations most of my time and money is spent on making my nights lively. But to my surprise now i have to spend less as compared to the past because now the women are more liberal and easily available. Sometimes a nice liberal talk can put the task to the bed which could otherwise be only possible with lot of cash spendings.
    Anyway in my view the economic factor is somehow related to resentment in the Pakistani women which compels them to become like a comodity to be used. And to become like a comodity some norms are required such as to be bold in your thoughts, talks, clothings and behaviour. And i have absolutely no objection to that 🙂 after all life is no life if you cannot bend it like you want to and to squeeze some pleasure out of it. But certainly such things cannot be achieved under any religion so religion becomes a secondary thing and the slogan of personal liberties is getting more and more attention. But sometimes my consience make me think of what i am and well…..certainly not a muslim. Sorry for the lengthy and confused reply may be i am over drank.

  • how much time did it take you to make Dr sahab look bad?

    You know He spent most of his life translating the Holy Quran, explaining it every single day on television, so that people like us could understand the message of our creator, he even left his medical practice to continue with his programme of educating people about religion.

    You can’t comprehend how great Dr Sahab was, cuz you never really took your time off to read his work, or watch his bayan ul quran. but you left no stones unturned to make him look bad over one small comment.

  • yes dr sahib rehmatulla aleh is saying truth ,he says to shatan not your friend ,you people are very thick minded toward religious leaders,if your boyfriend abuse ur mother or father you say it is a fun or we are making fun,shame on you ,you forget your culture ,is short sleeve ur culture,swimming custuo your culture.
    so be patience ,if you are begherat and haramzadi then every one say it whether it is common people or religious people ,but the different is that common people enjoy it (i think you know properly that what is meaning of enjoyment)and ullema hated it.

  • Sam Sheikh…
    I have not read a complete translation of the Quran… and I definitely have not spent my life studying and teaching Islam. But even I would never insult another person like this. My knowledge of Islam is probably an insignificant fraction of the good doctor’s knowledge but even I know that in Islam it would be the height of bad manners to insult someone like this regardless of their sin.

    So you are right. I cannot comprehend how ‘great’ doctor sahib is… because for me he is someone who does not practice what he preaches.Religion is a powerful thing… but like all powerful things it can be misused… in the case of Dr Sahib it can make a person so arrogant in their knowledge that they think they are a cut above everyone else and regular etiquette and laws which are part of the very religion they preach do not apply to them.

  • Dear all.he was a grt scholor no doubt.about this incidence I wd say that dr sahab was suffering frm a medical condition. Callled bipolar brain disorder due to which he sometimes became hyper and enraged and sulking and depressed other times.I hav seen such patients and in the hyper state they caan be agressive and enraged at anything but not being aware of wt they are saying or doing and don’t even remember it fterwards.si I think this might be due to his ilness otherwise he was a man of pure heart and gud nature plz don’t judge him on this incident he loved the quran and was not in favor of some extreme steps taken by talibaan

  • Hey guys come on he had a bipolar brain disorder which has 2 extremes,either the persons becomes hyper or enraged and cannot tolerate anything against him,or he becomes depreesed and sulking.so this incident must be due to that if it really happened.but he was a noble man may his soul rest in peace

  • Dear Readers
    It looks someone aimingly defaming Dr. Israr Ahmed. But it is so dreadful to read other brothers and sisters response to this blogger. Dr. Israr is one of those few person who spent 40 years of his life just for the teaching of Book of Allah(swt). One should only say words about him atleast after listening him. Really was great scholar of recent time

  • Dr. Israr was one of the great scholars of our times. We can only judge him by his books and lectures. The reference of the Word Haramzadi comes from a poetic verse (ofAkbar AllahBadi – famous poet) that he quoted in one of his lectures. He did not say it to a women. This is how we defame people and spread lies.

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